vxbush 8/21/2023 6:32:21 AM

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Haven't read this yet, due to the latest insanity at work, but plan to soon: HUGE: Hunter Biden’s Legal Team Used Joe Biden to Blackmail DOJ

Not a smidgen of corruption. Nope. 

JCM 8/21/2023 7:02:03 AM

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3 dead, 6 injured in mass shooting at south Seattle hookah lounge Sunday morning

The Chief of Police has a "strong" response.

Seattle police chief addresses 'unacceptable' number of shots fired at recent deadly shootings

Really?! That is the best you can do?

buzzsawmonkey 8/21/2023 7:58:06 AM

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There is a Biblical injuntion that one should not plow with an ox and a donkey yoked together.  This is generally---and correctly---taken as an injunction against cruelty to animals, since the two draft animals mentioned have different physical capabilities.

It would be interesting, however, to see if and how one could expand this to justify either discrimination in hiring, or exclusion of "transwomen" from women's sports, on First Amendment grounds---the latter because "transwomen" have different physical capabilities from women, and the former because men and women generally different temperaments.

vxbush 8/21/2023 8:31:47 AM

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In #3 buzzsawmonkey said: It would be interesting, however, to see if and how one could expand this to justify either discrimination in hiring, or exclusion of "transwomen" from women's sports, on First Amendment grounds---the latter because "transwomen" have different physical capabilities from women, and the former because men and women generally different temperaments.

I think that would be a very hard argument to make in court. How would you argue it, given that the received wisdom now is that men and women are interchangeable?

Occasional Reader 8/21/2023 8:48:26 AM

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In #2 JCM said: Seattle police chief addresses 'unacceptable' number of shots fired at recent deadly shootings

So he's demanding that thugs exercise better fire discipline?

buzzsawmonkey 8/21/2023 8:48:44 AM

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In #4 vxbush said: I think that would be a very hard argument to make in court. How would you argue it, given that the received wisdom now is that men and women are interchangeable?

Men---whether or not they call themselves "transwomen"---have greater upper-body strength than actual women, just as the ox has greater body strength than the donkey, which is why they should not be yoked together to plow, i.e., to further a business enterprise.   If one has a religious belief (First Amendment-protected) that one should not "yoke an ox and a donkey together," then it is unconstitutional to permit these two unequal beings to be "yoked together" by competing in the same event.

Occasional Reader 8/21/2023 8:49:17 AM

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In #3 buzzsawmonkey said: This is generally---and correctly---taken as an injunction against cruelty to animals

I would think it would also have more practical agricultural significance... the two animals would not make a good team.  But yes, there's likely also a more metaphorical meaning. 

Occasional Reader 8/21/2023 8:50:32 AM

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In #6 buzzsawmonkey said: If one has a religious belief (First Amendment-protected) that one should not "yoke an ox and a donkey together,"

If you expect Progs to respect that, then the yoke's on you... 

Occasional Reader 8/21/2023 8:53:38 AM

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Maui fire has shown government ineptitude at every turn.

But per the MSM it's all about climate change, and the only answer is to give Democrats even more power, of course. 

buzzsawmonkey 8/21/2023 8:53:57 AM

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In #8 Occasional Reader said: If you expect Progs to respect that, then the yoke's on you... 

Heh.  But it would be fun to try and push it up to the Supreme Court.

vxbush 8/21/2023 10:29:35 AM

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In #10 buzzsawmonkey said: But it would be fun to try and push it up to the Supreme Court.

The question becomes: when should your personally held beliefs impact those outside of you? Your belief and firmly held religious principle that there should not be uneven yoking is fine for those things within your domain of influence and action. But I could see the Supreme Court saying that you have no right to impose your will on others. 

Of course, with that same logic, the same should be true of demanding others use your pronouns. 

buzzsawmonkey 8/21/2023 11:18:28 AM

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In #11 vxbush said: when should your personally held beliefs impact those outside of you? Your belief and firmly held religious principle that there should not be uneven yoking is fine for those things within your domain of influence and action.

In other words, if I have a business and do not approve of "uneven yoking" on a personally-held religious basis, why would I be governmentally required to engage in "uneven yoking" by hiring someone I did not think appropriate or equal to the job?

JCM 8/21/2023 11:25:06 AM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 9:

The fire proves global warming.

Nevermind the response.

Occasional Reader 8/21/2023 11:47:30 AM

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In #13 JCM said: The fire proves global warming. Nevermind the response.

Yep.

Also, all those stories about Hunter Biden just prove how much Joe loves his troubled son. 

buzzsawmonkey 8/21/2023 12:20:08 PM

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In #14 Occasional Reader said: how much Joe loves his troubled son

Perhaps his son is "troubled" because he had a demented perv for a father.   Just an idle thought.

vxbush 8/21/2023 12:21:59 PM

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In #12 buzzsawmonkey said: In other words, if I have a business and do not approve of "uneven yoking" on a personally-held religious basis, why would I be governmentally required to engage in "uneven yoking" by hiring someone I did not think appropriate or equal to the job?

Okay. But you presented this as a possible argument to provide a legal basis to bar transgender athletes in competition, and I'm still not seeing how you can make that part work. If you run a business, you should be able to hire who you want. But I don't see how it could apply in a wider context like athletics. 

buzzsawmonkey 8/21/2023 12:25:11 PM

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Reply to vxbush in 16:

Well, if the organizers/board of an athletic tournament announce that on the basis of their Biblical beliefs, and that according to those beliefs they will not "yoke an ox and a donkey together," i.e., will not permit a "transgender woman" ox to compete against "donkey" females, there could be a very interesting case.

vxbush 8/21/2023 1:41:37 PM

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In #17 buzzsawmonkey said: Well, if the organizers/board of an athletic tournament announce that on the basis of their Biblical beliefs, and that according to those beliefs they will not "yoke an ox and a donkey together," i.e., will not permit a "transgender woman" ox to compete against "donkey" females, there could be a very interesting case.

Ah. I see now. That might be an effective argument because any such event any group hosts necessarily reflects the beliefs of the organization. Then the question becomes, does there need to be a public accommodation of other beliefs? 

Kosh's Shadow 8/21/2023 5:01:55 PM

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Cancel culture has no home here

Juebox just because it was canceled

JCM 8/21/2023 5:44:17 PM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 19:

Why? It's body positive!

Occasional Reader 8/21/2023 6:25:32 PM

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In #20 JCM said: Why? It's body positive!

What is a fat-bottomed "girl"?  

Are you a biologist?!

Kosh's Shadow 8/21/2023 6:59:27 PM

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In #21 Occasional Reader said: Are you a biologist?!

No, but I got a 98% for the year in high school biology (unfortunately, not coed at the time) 

Teacher was from MIT but his reccommendation did not get me in.

Kosh's Shadow 8/21/2023 7:00:25 PM

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In #22 Kosh's Shadow said: not coed at the time

Thus, I learned how to recognize a woman from the Playboy magazines my father brought home.