buzzsawmonkey 12/30/2019 6:26:10 AM

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NPR noted this morning that there have been a number of attacks on Jews in NYC in the last couple of weeks (many, but not all, in the wake of the Jersey City atrocity).  They even noted that the attackers arrested in NYC had all been released without bail, even though the new law diminishing bail has not yet gone into effect.  They even noted that, right after she was released, one of the people arrested for attacking three different Jewish women on the street...attacked another one.  

They did not note that all of these attackers---Jersey City, Monsey, and the 8 or 12 recent releasees---were "of color."  

They did interview a few Jews, and were surprised that some of them expressed their intention to start carrying.

lucius septimius 12/30/2019 7:03:39 AM

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In #1 buzzsawmonkey said:

Jews are supposed to cooperate with their killers!  Isn't that the way it's supposed to work?

buzzsawmonkey 12/30/2019 7:07:24 AM

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BTW, got no feedback yesterday on my work-in-progress (the original song has more verses) "The Monsey Slash."  Was it that bad, or did it just make people cringe, being written so soon after the incident?

The purpose, of course, was not to make light of the incident so much as the attitudes which make such things possible.

Kosh's Shadow 12/30/2019 7:17:08 AM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 1:

I'm surprised NPR covered it at all, since in the intersectional hierarchy, Jews are oppressors.

They do understate the number of attacks:

Here is an article on this and why it is being ignored

The murder of three people at a kosher supermarket in Jersey City was mostly ignored in the United States. No rallies or marches against the antisemitism that led to it. No major political upheavals or even much recognition. The usual anger over gun violence after mass shootings was nowhere to be found. The victims and the perpetrators are inconvenient. America as a whole can’t mourn Orthodox Jews and it can’t confront perpetrators when the perpetrators come from a minority community. This is inconvenient antisemitism and it is a kind of antisemitism privilege.

Through September 1 there were 152 antisemitic hate crimes. It’s basically one a day and they are becoming more violent and now deadly.

Kosh's Shadow 12/30/2019 7:18:27 AM

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In #3 buzzsawmonkey said: BTW, got no feedback yesterday on my work-in-progress (the original song has more verses) "The Monsey Slash."  Was it that bad, or did it just make people cringe, being written so soon after the incident? The purpose, of course, was not to make light of the incident so much as the attitudes which make such things possible.

The latter, and I know you weren't making light of the attacks.

JCM 12/30/2019 7:18:32 AM

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In #1 buzzsawmonkey said: them expressed their intention to start carrying.

I surprised they weren't arrested for public menacing or something!

buzzsawmonkey 12/30/2019 7:28:01 AM

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BTW, here's a carol in honor of the guard at the Texas church:

Good Guard Center Mass shot out
On the feast of Stephen
When a shooter, in a pout
Tried to increase grievin'
Saw the shooter, aimed and shot
Smeared him in the chancel
Whatever the shooter sought
Permanently canceled...

Occasional Reader 12/30/2019 7:36:39 AM

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lucius septimius 12/30/2019 7:37:06 AM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 3:

It was excellent.  I only saw it once the thread had been abandoned.

Occasional Reader 12/30/2019 7:40:16 AM

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In #1 buzzsawmonkey said: They did not note that all of these attackers---Jersey City, Monsey, and the 8 or 12 recent releasees---were "of color."  

See also this BBC News piece on the topic; not a peep about that particular commonality among the attackers.  The only time the MSM mentions that factor at all is when they're blaming the attacks on... those pushy Jews, pushing their way into "historically black" neighborhoods. 

Occasional Reader 12/30/2019 7:47:47 AM

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In #1 buzzsawmonkey said: They did interview a few Jews, and were surprised that some of them expressed their intention to start carrying.

Photo: Orthodox Jews in Rockland County, NY openly carrying AR-pattern rifles.  

... which, I'm quite certain, are not legal in NY State (at least not as pictured), nor are those 30-round magazines.  So, assuming the photo is authentic: Will Gov. Cuomo now send in cops to arrest Jews for protecting themselves, following a string of horrific attacks against them?  Stay tuned. 

Occasional Reader 12/30/2019 7:51:36 AM

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lucius septimius 12/30/2019 8:32:07 AM

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In #12 Occasional Reader said: 1) A series of literally-murderous attacks against Jews by black-American bigots; and 2) a white, Catholic schoolboy smiling at an American Indian; shall we? 

Well it should be obvious.  Smiling Catholic schoolboy?  JUST LIKE HITLER!!!!!!11!!!

Kosh's Shadow 12/30/2019 8:39:45 AM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 12:

The intersectional hierarchy of victims. Jews can't be victims; they have white privilege [But they;re being attacked and discriminated against - shut up, Jewish N*z1]

doppelganglander 12/30/2019 8:57:48 AM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 3:

For me, it was the cringe factor. Some things will always be too soon.

buzzsawmonkey 12/30/2019 9:25:57 AM

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My own experience with black antisemitism happened in college.   My roommate and I decided to sublet our apartment and move up to the North Side of Chicago, to get away from the South Side for a while, and to become cabdrivers.  We rented two rooms in a large apartment in which several other college students also had rooms; several we did not know, and one we did---a black grad student we'd met in school.  

Everything was fine for most of the summer, but one night we both got back from the garage rather late (we usually worked until about 2 AM), to find a bizarre notice taped to the door:  "We don't want any CHEMICALS here!  There are no BUGS here!  Mr. [X], you are a NAZI!"  

Entering the apartment, we found the black grad student pacing feverishly, in some kind of agitated rage, because the landlord, Mr. [X], a rabbi, had decided to send the exterminator to spray for bugs, and the thought of CHEMICALS in the apartment had sent him off the deep end, inveighing against our "Nazi" landlord.  I suppose that in his agitated state he did a free association between Jews/chemicals/Holocaust/Nazi, but it struck us both as bizarre (my roommate, BTW, was not Jewish, but he still thought that this free-association was nuts)

We tried to talk him down a little, with no success; he ended up striking my roommate, who said several times, first wonderingly, then angrily, "You hit me!"  After saying that a few times, he said to the grad student, "You'd better get out of here before I take you apart."  The grad student left the apartment, and after a hurried consultation my roommate and I hid all the knives in the apartment, packed our stuff quickly, and left, spending the rest of the summer (fortunately, only a week or two) on the sofas in our sublet apartment, much to our subtenants' annoyance.

This certainly doesn't rise to the level of some of the incidents we've been reading about recently, but it does have the common elements of a formerly-reasonable (at least, reasonably-reasonable) black person suddenly going off the deep end and becoming violent over nothing, and railing against Jews and Jews-as-Nazis. 

buzzsawmonkey 12/30/2019 11:04:20 AM

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Kosh's Shadow 12/30/2019 11:05:10 AM

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In #17 buzzsawmonkey said: Well, that killed the thread...

I guess the bug spray....

Occasional Reader 12/30/2019 11:21:14 AM

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In #18 Kosh's Shadow said: I guess the bug spray....

That's a four-gone conclusion. 

Occasional Reader 12/30/2019 12:07:06 PM

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Kosh's Shadow 12/30/2019 12:08:56 PM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 19:

I want to do an Orkin parody with the Orkin hats on top of Daleks, with the voice-over explaining how they brought in high-tech help.

Tha Daleks would be going around EXTERRRRMINATE! 

Maybe it could be set in England, and they start attacking a police box.

Occasional Reader 12/30/2019 1:35:25 PM

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In #21 Kosh's Shadow said: I want to do an Orkin parody

Well, as for me, I want to live with a cinnamon girl; I could be happy, the rest of my life, with a cinnamon girl.

/just feelin' silly here on a very, very, very quiet work day

lucius septimius 12/30/2019 2:07:54 PM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 22:

I decided that, so long as I'm stuck at mom's, I'd work on my book.  I got started and realized that there were papers I left at home because I didn't think I needed that, in fact, I need.  Grrrrr.

Trying to work around it.

Sometimes I feel like this whole project is cursed.