buzzsawmonkey 12/9/2019 5:48:32 PM

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Kosh's Shadow 12/9/2019 6:02:39 PM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 1:

I had to use Google Translate - which corrected the French, but the character won't copy and paste correctly

doppelganglander 12/9/2019 6:04:31 PM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 1:

I'm lurking. I handed in my last assignment of the semester and I'm exhausted.

Kosh's Shadow 12/9/2019 6:20:55 PM

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I hate French - probably because there were attempts to teach it by TV when I was in elementary school. That is NOT a way to teach a language.

In high school, (and junior high), I took the required 5 years of Latin (in a 6 year program) and German. The latter does help me understand Yiddish.

Kosh's Shadow 12/9/2019 6:22:13 PM

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Reply to doppelganglander in 3:

I'm recovering from a month of overtime for a project review meeting.  

doppelganglander 12/9/2019 6:32:52 PM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 5:

Blergh. Hope it's easier from here on out.

TV is not a good educational medium. I could bore you with the research, but it boils down to it being a one-way street. It's particularly bad for languages, IMO - you can't learn to listen and speak without a partner. 

buzzsawmonkey 12/9/2019 6:44:58 PM

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Reply to doppelganglander in 6:

I'll dispute with you there.  There were four programs I used to watch some fifty-odd years ago, back when "educational television" actually was educational television:

a) "The Toy That Grew Up," which was a series showing silent films on TV, and on which I first found my love of cinema;

b) The dramatized short-stories of Saki, which I have loved ever since;

c) T. Mikami, a Japanese artist who taught brush-painting on TV, and to whom I am greatly indebted for my skill at and understanding of line work;

d) Again, Mr. Mikami, who also taught origami on TV.  I've forgotten most of it now, but I was, once, pretty good at it---all due to him.

Occasional Reader 12/9/2019 6:46:54 PM

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Freaking. Awesome:

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/350942/

Kosh's Shadow 12/9/2019 6:47:20 PM

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Reply to doppelganglander in 6:

It doesn't help when there is one TV and it is used alternately by different classes, and then it broke for a few weeks....

Kosh's Shadow 12/9/2019 6:50:33 PM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 7:

I don't have time to find the link to some educational TV I liked.

It does suck for teaching language. You need someone to listen and correct.

But it is very good for teaching science, where kids can watch experiments, see wildlife, etc.

On a related note, I think much of the "animals are better than people" concept we find today is due to the cartoon animals in WB and Disney cartoons. At one time, everyone hated those meeces to pieces!

Kosh's Shadow 12/9/2019 6:51:45 PM

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In #9 Kosh's Shadow said: It doesn't help when there is one TV and it is used alternately by different classes, and then it broke for a few weeks...

I got a lot of cred for saying the failed part was the picture tube, and it was. Third or fourth grade, iirc.

Kosh's Shadow 12/9/2019 6:53:47 PM

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In #11 Kosh's Shadow said: I got a lot of cred for saying the failed part was the picture tube, and it was. Third or fourth grade, iirc.

And it wasn't a wild guess - I had a TV repairman's manual that an uncle had left behind in my grandmother's apartment

Occasional Reader 12/9/2019 7:27:41 PM

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Portland considers plan to force private property owners to provide camping space for “homeless“:

https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2019/12/07/portland-considers-mandatory-rest-spaces-homeless-private-property/

doppelganglander 12/9/2019 7:30:16 PM

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Reply to buzzsawmonkey in 7:

You can certainly learn things from television. I watch a ton of documentaries myself. But there are different levels of learning that researchers and educators identify by a system known as Bloom's taxonomy. In the cognitive domain, the lowest level is knowledge (remembering facts). Learning increases in complexity through comprehension, application, analysis, synthesis, and evaluation. (The taxonomy also includes the affective domain and psychomotor domain, but the cognitive domain gets the most attention.) Learning French, for example, involves knowledge (vocabulary), comprehension (organizing words into meaningful sentences), application (ordering in a restaurant), analysis (identifying relationships, organization, shades of meaning, etc.), synthesis (communicating original ideas in French), and evaluation (making judgments about validity or quality). You can reach Level 1 or 2 by watching a TV show, but not more advanced levels. Watching a science experiment is not the same as performing one.

Yes, this is the kind of stuff I study and use at work. But we have pretty infographics! 

Kosh's Shadow 12/9/2019 7:33:24 PM

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In #13 Occasional Reader said: Portland considers plan to force private property owners to provide camping space for “homeless“:

OK, then the government has to pay compensation, as this is taking of property. What's the difference between letting homeless camp and letting British soldiers live in your house?

Jukebox

Kosh's Shadow 12/9/2019 7:34:24 PM

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Reply to doppelganglander in 14:

The example didn't come through

Kosh's Shadow 12/9/2019 7:35:09 PM

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In #15 Kosh's Shadow said: What's the difference between letting homeless camp and letting British soldiers live in your house?

Hard to tell which would be better behaved

doppelganglander 12/9/2019 7:36:40 PM

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Reply to Occasional Reader in 13:

Yeah, Portland can just fuck right off with that. 

doppelganglander 12/9/2019 7:37:46 PM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 16:

Try this: https://www.teachthought.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/B8F0FC46-9B1E-4D6D-8E1C-6090462F95F6.png

Kosh's Shadow 12/9/2019 7:40:16 PM

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Reply to doppelganglander in 19:

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Kosh's Shadow 12/9/2019 7:43:07 PM

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A three video treat

Video 1

Video 2

Video 3

doppelganglander 12/9/2019 7:45:22 PM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 20:

Well, screw them. This is my last attempt.

https://www.teachthought.com/learning/what-is-blooms-taxonomy-a-definition-for-teachers/

Kosh's Shadow 12/9/2019 7:46:40 PM

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Reply to doppelganglander in 22:

This one worked - and it is stuff I saw in online teaching

doppelganglander 12/9/2019 8:17:26 PM

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Reply to Kosh's Shadow in 23:

Yeah, it's pretty basic but incredibly helpful.

Kosh's Shadow 12/9/2019 8:31:15 PM

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Reply to doppelganglander in 24:

Yes, it was helpful in the training I had

And with that, good night

buzzsawmonkey 12/10/2019 3:59:15 AM

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In #21 Kosh's Shadow said: A three video treat Video 1 Video 2 Video 3

The middle video is of Cab Calloway singing "Kicking the Gong Around."  It is the sequel-song to "Minnie the Moocher," which contains the line "He [Smokey Joe] took her down to Chinatown, showed her how to kick that gong around," i.e., got her into drug use.  The rest of the song "Minnie the Moocher" is a drug-addict's fantasy; "She had a dream about the King of Sweden; he gave her things that she was needin'."  "Kicking the Gong Around" starts out with a similar description of drug addicts; "It was down in Chinatown, all the cokies lay around, some were high and some were mighty low.  Countin' millions on the floor..."

"Kicking the gong around" was a euphemism for snorting drugs.  The odd part is that Chinatown would have been the place for opium/heroin, but Smokey Joe is referred to as being "cokie," i.e., a cocaine user.  It appears that "cokie" and "hop-head" were used fairly interchangeably in the early '30s.

Anyway, the interesting thing about Cab's performance is his pantomime of grinding cocaine in the hollow of his hand and sniffing it, and then his heavy-lidded head jerks which simulate the reaction of a junkie snorting the drug.  These things would not have been obvious to someone unfamiliar with that milieu, but are there to be seen if you know what you're looking at.